VioletLotus: Paul, whats wrong? VioletLotus: you haven't talked to me much since this whole shit happened seraasteroid: no, I haven't, because I'm still trying to come to grips with how this changes things VioletLotus: what is to come to grips with? seraasteroid: Well, I still think that you were pretty harsh, so lets just say I'm treading carefully so I don't say something I'll regret VioletLotus: pretty harsh? uhm, hello, what was I harsh about? VioletLotus: and what are you treading lightly on? VioletLotus: if you have something to say, then say it VioletLotus: if it causes a rift, better to form it now than later when it explodes seraasteroid: OK, I think about 80-90% of this whole split was on you. I also think that if you made a move now you could start fixing things only you won't. And it affects me because now I've essentially got to split my Junketsu persona with my Pocky Box persona seraasteroid: I also don;t like the way the PB can't seem to stay stable for more than 2 weeks straight VioletLotus: did you read the first line of the email that Ruth sent? VioletLotus: what do you mean stable? seraasteroid: we can't keep the regularity of updates, we've had personell changes, the drama keeps getting pushed back, and everything is getting in the way VioletLotus: the drama was YOURS and MIKE'S column VioletLotus: personell changes aren't my problem, if people can't keep it up, that is their issue VioletLotus: I'm sorry but Ruth left the team VioletLotus: and then she started acting all high and mighty when she was doing nothing, and on top of it, she fucking lied to me and Ciao seraasteroid: And I could have been on drama yesterday instead of up till midnight writing my reviews which should have been done monday, only I was busy working out my part in The Shit seraasteroid: Whoa, when did she lie? VioletLotus: she told us that she didn't have time to let us know about all the forum changes, yet Mike told me flat out he was on the phone with her while she wad doing it for at least a good 45 minutes, fi that isn't time enough to let us know then that is pretty fucked up seraasteroid: 45 mins may not be time. And she wasn't going to demand you moderate them all anyway VioletLotus: considering she does absolutely DICK to mod her own goddamn forums, the least she could do is tell the people that DO do the work what is going on VioletLotus: you know what Paul VioletLotus: forget it, if you want to side with that fucking psycho and be abused and used by her, you go right on ahead, I will ship your cards out to you that you paid for, and you can be done with pocky box as you obviously are disillusioned, but know she will fuck you over too as she has been slowly doing it to people all along seraasteroid: is that what you want? VioletLotus: I want you to open your fucking eyes, and don't act like Ruth is Ms. Innocence in this, she isn't seraasteroid: no, but neither is she this conniving manipulator you seem to make her out to be. I see no malice aforethought here. Lazy, maybe. Careless, sure. But not mean or vindictive seraasteroid: The fact that you've been fucked over doesn't mean that there's someone doin the fucking. seraasteroid: *doing VioletLotus: uhm, would you like to know what she told Krysh? seraasteroid: go ahead VioletLotus: that she now has some "use for her" VioletLotus: Krysh has been a mod for MONTHS there VioletLotus: and now she has USE for her! after she realizes she can't just get away with making me and Ciao do EVERYTHING VioletLotus: and take the credit for it without us getting pissed? seraasteroid: OK, that's being uncharitable, and socially inept. VioletLotus: sorry but the mass majority of what she does takes no more than half and hour, clips are NOT hard to make seraasteroid: Then why did you do it? VioletLotus: because I thought Ruth was a friend but when I ask her about something AFTER Ciao asked her first, I get told "its my site, I can do whatever I want" well she can run it her goddamn self then as she hasn't done for the last YEAR VioletLotus: her approach was to have US handle almost everything seraasteroid: It's as much her site as the Pocky Box is your site VioletLotus: if it meant emailing somebody we had to do it, if it meant choosing if somebody got an award, we had to choose VioletLotus: she didn't at all VioletLotus: as if she couldn't make up her mind wihtout us and then we get "its mine!" out of it VioletLotus: yeah, but here is the difference VioletLotus: I actually consult my staff! VioletLotus: I don't make split decisions without you VioletLotus: and if I do, I leave you guys some warning of it seraasteroid: ok, but again, this makes her a bad webmistress, not a bad person VioletLotus: point of advice, ask Ruth who took WHO off of the list of moderators after us confronting her about her lack of informing us VioletLotus: once again, I repeat VioletLotus: SHE was the one that said in her email "WE want nothing to do with each other" not the other way around VioletLotus: if that is what she wants, I am honoring it, but don't come to me the next day and say "I changed my mind, will you do everything for me again?!" VioletLotus: and of course her lovely lie on the front page of her site seraasteroid: no, see, I think she was saying that in response to you. Perhaps mistakenly, but she wasn't trying to escalate I don't think VioletLotus: she doesn't code her own pages, she uses Dreamweaver and has told me so on multiple occassions VioletLotus: well she sure as hell acted like I gave her a guilt trip about not coming for my birthday VioletLotus: sorry but I told her in plain view of the world that I understood VioletLotus: it is in her goddamn LJ VioletLotus: even Mike saw that VioletLotus: I am done with her VioletLotus: and frankly if this is what I am going to get from you about the whole situation, i am also done with you VioletLotus: but one day you will learn just like me and Ciao did VioletLotus: I promise VioletLotus: cause she is like Usagi Kou, the second somebody stops kissing her ass, she goes psycho seraasteroid: do you want a discussion or not, because I'm fine with just keeping silent on the Ruth situation? But you said to air it out VioletLotus: I am done VioletLotus: here do you want your cards sent? VioletLotus: where* seraasteroid: am I to understand that you are firing me? VioletLotus: yes I am VioletLotus: because this is not going to work VioletLotus: and frankly I am putting the goddamn site on hiatus until shit is figured out and I can actually afford it VioletLotus: I apologize for you putting effort and money into the Pocky Box VioletLotus: But I am done with it for now seraasteroid: don't. I enjoyed it VioletLotus: I will let this last contest run till it finishs but no more reviews, no nothing VioletLotus: when it reopens, it will be with a team that knows about web design and be better than before without the internal crap seraasteroid: ok, that cut seraasteroid: you cut to a nerve, happy now? VioletLotus: nope, I am not happy about ANY of this VioletLotus: but I have NO other option, you aren't going to see what I had to deal with because you didn't live through it VioletLotus: you didn't fucking defend a site repeatedly have to deal with crap, code layouts, moderate at one time over 250 members, and then be told that you aren't good enough to be given a 10 second warning seraasteroid: may I just ask one thing? VioletLotus: go for it seraasteroid: Is this all this is about? It's not stress in your life or the new business or anything? You seriously feel betrayed on a grand scale? VioletLotus: yes I am VioletLotus: it has nothing to do with stress VioletLotus: in fact this has been the BIGGEST stress I have had in a long time VioletLotus: I thought this internet petty drama was done years ago, but I was wrong, and I now remember why I withdrew from internet society years ago seraasteroid: OK, then. I've always felt that what people think should be their own business, and I believe that within your views, you are right. I wish you the best of luck with your endeavors. VioletLotus: I wish you the same seraasteroid: you should still have my address for the cards VioletLotus: good luck and have a great life VioletLotus: I will get it from paypal or something VioletLotus: I will ship them out when my husband gets paid on Friday seraasteroid: and I consider you a good person and a fine friend. VioletLotus: I don't have enough money until then to ship as I used it all to fulfill my last honorable thing to that bitch and ship out her kimono seraasteroid: See ya 'round, Sat.